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Remaking of OS SHP Builder in WPF
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Zaaz
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:53 pm    Post subject:   Remaking of OS SHP Builder in WPF Reply with quote

So hey creators of that neat piece of code,

I`ve always been a fan of TS and it is only very recently that for some reason
I went back to it and tried learning to mod it for the first time.
From there I found Olaf's site, then this site and SHP Builder,
and I thought that digging in your code would be better than studying for my exams so here I am.
I'll try to port all the features in a new interface in C#, which means I`ll have fun the whole summer.

So yeah, thanks Banshee and Stucuk for this program!

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Reaperrr
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Remaking of OS SHP Builder in WPF Reply with quote

Zaaz wrote:
So hey creators of that neat piece of code,

I`ve always been a fan of TS and it is only very recently that for some reason
I went back to it and tried learning to mod it for the first time.
From there I found Olaf's site, then this site and SHP Builder,
and I thought that digging in your code would be better than studying for my exams so here I am.
I'll try to port all the features in a new interface in C#, which means I`ll have fun the whole summer.

So yeah, thanks Banshee and Stucuk for this program!

Sounds good. Smile

Feel free to fix some of the issues (broken TD/RA1 SHP saving mechanism, somewhat buggy TS/RA2 grid preview, preview of units on shadow frames being off by 1 pixel etc.) while you're at it, if you can Wink

Banshee seems to be too busy for it nowadays.

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Lin Kuei Ominae
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drawing on all frames at the same time would be useful too. e.g. to remove or draw a single pixel from all (a range of) frames

good luck with this project.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets just let him port it first, before we go requesting new features.  Best not to overburden him this early in the process. #Tongue

Good luck!

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Zaaz
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm taking notes, but hey do you guys have framework .NET 4.5 or won't mind to have it? because otherwise I'll change of platform.

and thanks!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you shouldn't go with .NET 4.5, but earlier versions. Many people still use XP here which aren't supported by that one.
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Lin Kuei Ominae
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct.
Best would be .NET 2.0 support. But at least should be 3.5, so XP users can use it too.
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Graion Dilach
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4.0 works on SP3.

Otherwise I could't kick my XP to actually eat MSVC2010 back then.

Tho I agree with 2.0 as primary aim, less overhead.
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Zaaz
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay just a quick heads up.

"Many people still use XP here which aren't supported by that one."

Why........................ *sad face*

Anyhow, I'll do both. 4.5 and 3.5. Might take a while, I just hope you won't die in the meantime.

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Graion Dilach
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, because XP proved it works everywhere everytime. Win7 already gives headaches to some TS and RA2 players...

Not to mention Win8.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zaaz wrote:
Okay just a quick heads up.

"Many people still use XP here which aren't supported by that one."

Why........................ *sad face*

Anyhow, I'll do both. 4.5 and 3.5. Might take a while, I just hope you won't die in the meantime.


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OrangeNero
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

windows support for xp ends in april 2014. TS&RA2 works fine on my pc with windows 7.

TBH I can't see how a remake helps but hey I wont stop you so good luck.
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Exley
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.net = disaster written all over it
don't expect people to download 250 MB of useless junk to run 2 MB application

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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exley wrote:
.net = disaster written all over it
don't expect people to download 250 MB of useless junk to run 2 MB application


.Net is necessary for many people now, not just for a 2MB application.

Though I think 4.0 is unnecessary, many people here only have 2.0 or 3.5 installed. And so far I have seen few application needs 4.0.

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Zaaz
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, let's see which OS ships with which  version:

Windows 8; .NET 4.5
Windows 7; .NET 3.5,
Windows Vista; .NET 3 (but nobody uses that)
Windows XP; they can download up to .NET 3.5.

So 3.5 targets 2 OSes, one by default, and because I'm on Windows 8,
I'm doing the 4.5 version mostly for myself.

The main reason I'm remaking this app is because
I think the UI is pretty annoying sometimes, therefore I'll aim to fix that.

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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exley wrote:
.net = disaster written all over it
don't expect people to download 250 MB of useless junk to run 2 MB application

A lot of applications with varying sizes.* And I doubt it's "useless" if it actually allows the user to run those applications. If you don't want to run those programs, then it's your loss. In addition, most people already have that "250 MB of useless junk" considering it comes with Vista, 7 and 8. Also, I'd expect some 90% of XP systems have at least version 2.0 installed.

.NET and C# saves developers a lot of time compared to C++. Would you prefer the developer of an application to use C# or would you rather wait much longer for the application to get released?
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Banshee
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OS SHP Builder needs to be remade. The interface and the code are horrible and very restrictive. I just think that the .NET framework might not appropriate for it, since it will restrict it to few Windows platforms and languages like C#, Java, etc do not have pointers. I'm aware nobody uses Windows 98 in these days, but it would be interesting if OS SHP Builder could be available outside the windows universe, such as in Macs, IPads and Android devices.

Also, the code that deals with fileformats (mainly) uses a lot of pointer operations. Of course it is possible to rewrite them without pointers, but you might have a lot of work when you start working on that.

Good luck anyway, although I might not be able to help you (specially if you choose .Net 4.5), since the machine that I use to develop stuff is a Windows XP.

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xanax
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bump you, Zaaz to know if you are still interested in porting OS SHP Builder.
Banshee: are you still under Windows XP nowadays?

EDIT : I found this thread: http://www.ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=38489&postorder=asc&highlight=export

Last edited by xanax on Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:22 am; edited 1 time in total

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Matthias M.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phrohdoh from the OpenRA community started a similar project, but chose a cross platform GUI framework for desktop and mobile applications using C# as well http://www.ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=524036 However he abandoned it, but it is open source as well so anyone can take over and complete his vision.

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