Messing around with C&C archetypes (engineer and agent)

RatsInTheWalls

So I have a concept kicking around, but I'm running into some (realism) plotholes with two of our beloved C&C (RA) units, the engineer and the spy.

So say the whole world gets nuked back into the stone age. And group A and group B loses all technological knowledge, and group X keeps all technological knowledge.
An engineer or spy from group A or B won't be able to make sense of group X's technology, and an engineer or spy from group X doesn't even bother with the technology of group A or B.

"Gee, what's the use of a nu-klee-aar boo-mb? It looks way too heavy to use as a club..."
"...oh, they know how to make flintlock firearms. Our cyborg forces will surely become veterans thanks to this knowledge."

I like engineers, I like spies. But I also like (a bit of) realism. And I want to keep things balanced - somewhat.

I have a few ideas in my head, but I want to get some outsider ideas on things before I start ripping the heart out of ancient C&C traditions like I'm an EA executive.

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Nikademis Von Hisson · Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:38 pm Post subject:

how do you lose the knowledge? why allow one to keep? that would start one side with extreme advantage

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WoRmINaToR · Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:52 pm Post subject:

He's talking in the context of lore. Obviously the gameplay would be balanced somehow, but that's up to his mod.

On Topic, I can't imagine anything like this being possible without additional Ares logic being coded in, unless you used negative damage weapons on the engineers with an array of custom armor types. Suicide=yes might, in theory, allow you to maintain the logic that the engineer is consumed in the process. It could also screw it up even worse #Tongue

As for the spies, I'm not current with all the snazzy new spy logic available, but I don't believe there's anything that restricts entry by unit type or owner. Someone with a little more spy logic knowledge could come by and correct me on that, though.

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RatsInTheWalls · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:39 am Post subject:

In terms of engineers, I can just make (faction) buildings uncapturable, so engineers are only used for bridge repairs and tech buildings.
Maybe use funky Ares stuff to make some kind of structure hacker that uses "mindcontrol".

As for the spies... The only problem really is the infiltration of tech centers, since that actually grants technology. That can be solved by just being creative with units that are stolen technology.

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