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Team Black
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 4:51 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

F*ck ISIS. They don't deserve to be recognized, even in a fictional setting.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Team Black wrote:
F*ck ISIS. They don't deserve to be recognized, even in a fictional setting.

I agree, but just a question. Does that mean that GLA should not be in Generals, too?  Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhh GLA is not real.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OmegaBolt wrote:
Uhh GLA is not real.


^This.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Team Black wrote:
OmegaBolt wrote:
Uhh GLA is not real.


^This.

Fine by me!  Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GLA is a fictional terrorist group. So the atrocities they do haven't affected Real Life People. Sure there may be some things which might trigger bad memories for certain people but the point being they're not real.

ISIS on the other hand is a real one. I for one cannot stomach the idea myself of just creating a faction that practically glorifies a real life terrorist group that did so much inhumane acts more so making them a playable faction that you too can control.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you oughta go with merc group working for a government or a company of some sort. I already have plans of rebooting my Red-Star mod But will most likely opt out this Sovergin Zioinst Empire (SZE /UZE ) thing (Politics is just broad wide and meh with full of WTF perspectives) .

I agree with what jem said it just opens wounds that are just not worth mentioning try to make a mod that every one have with rather than being offended or reminded of the harsh or wtf reality.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well in fact ISIS is not playable and its always good to have B-2s bombing them back to stone age

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and thanks to everyone supportings us those commentes are really pleasent and algeria have more votes then NATO yeah

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Team Black wrote:
F*ck ISIS. They don't deserve to be recognized, even in a fictional setting.

I dunno man. An edgy teenager faction would be pretty hilarious.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well isis is holding half of Syria's area so ...
and after all there are used as a Target practice for bombers lol

and you need to know that ISIS is made by (Saudi arabia , Israel , Turkey , and the USA)

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Algerian Major wrote:
well isis is holding half of Syria's area so ...
and after all there are used as a Target practice for bombers lol

and you need to know that ISIS is made by ( the USA)


You might want to reevaluate yourself Rolling Eyes

ISIS isn't made by anyone but the Islamic people who decided to become wannabe terrorists and took Qurān to the extreme measure.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is a silly argument because

A) _all_ of the factions in the RA continuity are representatives of something that existed in RL and was pretty gruesome (except Yuri). Sure, the atrocities by ISIS are more recent, but they are matched very much by the Soviet Union and even the supposedly-good Allies/America. Take a look at the actions of the Americans in Vietnam (which is OTL contemporary to RA2's supposed time period (70's)). Sure the cruelty was probably less intentional in Vietnam, but the ignorance with which the Americans just inundated civilian villages with napalm is shocking. Still, nobody minds using America as a faction.

B) The argument that the GLA is acceptable, while ISIS is not, because the name "GLA" is different and hence GLA is fictional, is pretty much invalidated in that nobody has a problem with making "USA" a playable faction under its own name, despite A).
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It still leaves a bad taste in my mind. At least the GLA didn't perform those atrocities in real life and its done in a simulated environment. Also putting up an ISIS Faction even if unplayable by the player sort of glorifies that Terrorist Organization itself.

Look at how CS:GO handled Terrorist Factions they instead opted to make ambiguous Groups for the Terrorists. While yeah the Counter-Terrorists are from Real Life Organizations that still sorta makes them much more acceptable.

USA is USA... Making a Videogame where America are the Good Guys is almost always a common thing (At least back in Generals Days)
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'd advise, if it's a non-player faction, assuming this will be in missions (and maybe a few MP maps?), to just refer to them generically as "insurgents" or something, I think on a desert/arab map, that might be enough to get the point across.

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Well whatever way you pick here, it *is* a "minefield" - it's very easy insult people here, but then again, probably not any more than Generals/ZH did anyway.

On another note, I don't know where that obsession with Novaya Rossiya comes from - so many mods have a faction like it, or even named like that (or similar). I believe the concept of that faction first appeared in the RTS Empire Earth in the early 2000s, but I don't know why that faction name has gotten so popular in the C&C modding community...
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insurgents are not the evil thing the media portrays, they are like protesters local militias fighting for their home against foreign/govt/corporate oppression. So insurgents by their very nature could never conquer/invade anywhere else, if we're talking about using them for missions that is.

As a standalone faction you just use like a random uprising or as a chaos instigator, they could be fun. Like you're trying to beat back a nation state, and some insurgents either attack you, or attack both sides in anger.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comparing America with ISIS, there ya go. I'm sorry but even in our worst, we could never match the atrocities purposefully committed by ISIS, to kill mindlessly and brutally as the only means for propagating their cause. They girls as sex slaves as young as 11, and use them until they die, or are no longer desirable, and then they are killed.

Napalm has been banned from American arsenal for quite some time. Even while it was used, it was only authorized in combat against legitimate military targets, after making every attempt to minimize collateral damage.
If you can't tell the difference between a free, democratic country with a few honest flaws, and a terrorist organization whose explicit purpose is to kill, rape, steal and destroy anyone and everyone they see as infidel, then I'd suggest you pull your ignorant head out of your ass
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Get your anti-American head out of your ass.

I dunno who that was for, but clearly you haven't studied your 1915-2015 history too well... get your pro-american head out of your ass! haha
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, ISIS is destroying Muslim shrines, killing Muslim minorities, sex slavery, and all sorts of bad stuff.

And 1915? What's so special about 1915? The Telephone? the Lusitania? WW1? you need to fix your analogies...

I'm just waiting for this part to be cut off and send away so the mod guy can have a semblence of control of the topic again. Can someone get a Mod or Admin?
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The analogy was the LAST 100 years...

You're telling me that invading and bombing 40 sovereign countries is less serious than some girls being used for sex?

Or perhaps you think a little sectarian violence between the Sunni and Shia is somehow worse than the ethnic cleansing of Russians by the neo-nazi West-Ukrainian govt with CIA blackops help?

Maybe you think it was all the Muslim's fault that America destroyed Iraq, and the impoverished people freely looted all the museums for whatever was light enough to take?

Interesting factoids: the neo-nazi govt of Ukraine is tearing down all historical evidence of Russians or communism. They have torn down hundreds of statues and defaced countless buildings.

Napoleon's army was documented to have blown off the sphinx's nose, and most of the pyramid's limestone. The British also ransacked countless countries, including what became Iraq and Egypt. Museums around the world are filled with stolen artifacts...

Since you brought it up, you need to read some history too....
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should add my family was from Hungary, they know how they were betrayed by both the "west" and the communists. I've been there enough times to see how socialism has collapsed under foreign corporate exploitation.

The thing is, I take a skeptical view of all political structures, all religions, and all forms of education, including marketing. You may be brainwashed by the western media telling you how every country is full of evil people out to get you, but that doesn't make it true.

Most countries have learned the hard way what "American involvement" means, it means giving up your resource rights, giving up your local economic and environmental protections, and it mostly means losing your cultural identity.

What you see out there is a world pushing back against rampant imperialism, everyone is racing to get nukes, or racing to get in bed with the super-powers that can stand up to it... namely Russia/China/India.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Comparing America with ISIS, there ya go. I'm sorry but even in our worst, we could never match the atrocities purposefully committed by ISIS, to kill mindlessly and brutally as the only means for propagating their cause. They girls as sex slaves as young as 11, and use them until they die, or are no longer desirable, and then they are killed.

But where do you draw the line? Of course Americans aren't anywhere near as bad today, but what's the reason to draw the line at ISIS, but not at the US? What about the Soviets? Why can the Soviets be in a game and ISIS can't? Or Nazis? Where is the limit?

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Get your anti-American head out of your ass.

It was an example. I could just as well be anti-Soviet, anti-German, anti-Japanese... everyone, at some point, did something that harmed people. I could just as well have said Nazi Germany, that would've gotten the point across much better, but the Nazis aren't a RA faction. And everyone knows how bad the Soviets were. So I used the US as an example. All I'm saying is, if you refuse to put ISIS into a mod, then you should have a clear reasoning why all the other folks are allowed in.

all I'm saying is, if the guy wants to make a mod where you give ISIS a beating, why not? If that's what he wants to do, I don't think it should be off-limits. Especially since he's from Algeria and these things are probably alot closer to him than to (most of) us
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

look if ISIS was made by islamic people why isis is killing all the muslims in IRAK and SYRIA and one more thing if it was a real "Islamic organization" then why didn't they striked the israelis in the occupayed areas you have to know that ISIS and El-nosra especialy have been founded in  el-qonaitira the only conection point between Syria and Israel and ISIS have TOW missle which are israeli-US ATGMs the Syrian army nor the opposition have those so the only entrance is Turkey or Israel

Wake Up The USA is not the good people and they never were why because the number of US bases outside the border is about 1200 base i think while russia is much more less your countrys are fooling you do you know that the CIAs main targets are IRAN,Afganistan and then Algeria!!!

why this interest in us well because russia is arming Syria from the algerian territory with SU-27s and Why there wasn't a ARAB Spring here in my country because we have the DRS -google it-

one more thing NATO cannot hit algeria you know why ? because we have S-300PMU2 and we have ordered S-400 in december 2014 and we already have a large quantity of Pantsir S1 without our SU-30MKA and MIG-29s and we will be soonly produce LOCALY T-90SA lol

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the above bullshit is why one should never bring actual politics into modding.

Any project fueled by nationalist ideas - regardless of country and belief (radical fundamentalism, nazism, 'murica, whatever) - just gets into a flamewar with someone getting offended.

Why can the Soviets be in a game, Millennium? Because the Soviets are a thing of the past. Imperial Japan as well... people don't take it that serious to get offended by any portrayal.

And China was pretty much portrayed as neutral in Generals anyway, not the Big Bad.

Anachronism is a tool to escape from realism, to get away the possibility to offend people. And there are just so many things people get offended on... why you add fuel to any fire?

Everyone taking sides here are flat-out retarded for jumping on a bait.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I doubt gonna see much if ever, may be another dreamer's mod.

Anyhow C&C Generals got banned in china for its portrayal of china as napalmists and nuke extremists weapons wise and the insult of red guard name for the basic infantry AFAIK.

As for whole politics stuff here, well some like believing the gossip/media of black ops and what not and some ridiculous comparisons...

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Graion Dilach: Why can the Soviets be in a game, Millennium? Because the Soviets are a thing of the past. Imperial Japan as well... people don't take it that serious to get offended by any portrayal.

- You doesn't right, Call of Duty World at War got banned in Japan because they add Imperial Japan like evil army.

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any relationship of country and other country only just rely on benefits alone, not other. Internationalism was collapse with Soviet Union since 1991. US had they our benefits, another had our benefits too. So Algerian Major should rename most controversial factions in your mod, you can avoid unnecessary flamewar with someone getting offended. Example: rename ISIS to GLA, US/NATO to Imperium of Man/Allied Force and Russia to Soviet, etc.






Remember, no country is bad, no country is good, they only had own benefits to do.

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The major reasons for divides are mostly economic, and to some extent cultural, because culture has a big impact on what economic and political systems are acceptable.

There's basically no difference between the majority of people in African countries, but some have oil, some have precious metals, some just have good agriculture. Those slight differences mean they have different expectations, and different goals, which are enough to go to war over apparently.

Like GD says, anytime you use a real name you insult someone, because everyone thinks their country is "better" or "nicer" or any other adjective, when it usually is a product of ignorance. I personally don't care if real countries are used, hell put Canada as a communist dictatorship if you want, it's just a game.

I think having a neutral insurgency could be useful on maps, much like sandworms in the Dune universe adds an extra dynamic. You can also have terrorists, but their isolated and secretive nature would make the dynamics little more than adding random mine fields on a map.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but thats against the ideas of the mod i mean there should be USA ,Russia , Nato ...

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like G-E said, terrorists have a special gameplay dynamics.

I've found it VERY difficult to model a terrorist organization as an RTS faction. Not just in the YR engine, it's just a general problem I think that the playstyle isn't suited for RTS. Insurgencies like the Vietcong etc are still easier to model and ISIS would be easier to do than Al Qaida I think because there is an actual army to fight.

I think EA might've had the same problem when they made Gen, which is why the GLA is an insurgency only in its "paintjob", but in gameplay terms it's just 50% stealth-oriented and the rest is generic spammer with old Soviet hardware.

And yes, just use whatever factions you like, someone will always have an opportunity to be offended, no matter what you do (unless you just make Scrin, Ants, Dinosaurs, Yuri). It's just a game, go with how you want your mod to be.
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I edited my post. You're not necessarily anti-American, just ignorant.

The reason I don't thing ISIS should be in this mod is that they want to be recognized. They want publicity. They know that mass beheadings, and destroying ancient artifacts will get them that.
The more publicity they get - even in a mod like this - that is their goal. That's why I say, don't give them the recognition. They don't need it, and they don't deserve it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fail to see how starving or shooting people is any better than beheading?

The only problem I see with using ISIL is they are supplied by the Americans via their direct and indirect support or both the Iraqis forces and the FSA. ISIL therefore uses the exact same low-level weaponry and vehicles as the Americans, without the aircraft and navy to support them. It would be like going to war with an ant colony, lots of furious activity, no credible threat.
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I fail to see how starving or shooting people is any better than beheading?


There's a difference between a few individuals doing twisted sh*t in various spots troughout 300 years history, whose actions are condemned both officially and by every American you'll ever meet, and an organization where  every sick sonofabitch making it their expressed, verbal, outright and proud message to spread thair cause through killing maiming, or raping the innocent, whether systematically or randomly.

This isn't an e-penis contest of who done worst stuff, it's realizing yes there is a pretty distinct obvious difference between America and ISIS, and if you still don't realize that by now, no amount of typing on an internet forum is going to get you to understand.

As far as ISIS acquiring weapons, the stuff that they've acquired has made them tasty targets for our bombers, I'll say that much
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You take them way too seriously, you listen to your propaganda, they listen to theirs...  

They are still just a bunch of arabic people, wearing bandanas in a desert. Meanwhile you sip your beer, in an air conditioned house, with not much to fear in life, and watch fox news tell you how they are going to kill you any minute now...
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a muslim, i'm very happy with my religion, but not for ISIS. ISIS were muslim fanatics that tried to "kinda balancing the world from evil/disgraceful things". They were not prophets, they just made Islam religion's perspective/point of view being worst. For example in reality, Indonesia. ISIS can sneak into Indonesia, i don't know how they passed the security. ISIS use tricks for luring people (or mostly poor people) by serving free travel to Saudi Arabia to do Umroh/Haji. So, most of people (or mostly poor people) attracted and ISIS picked them by bus, and they (the people) were gone, they were kinda kidnapped, even some citizens found dead bodies from nowhere.

I wonder who did the ISIS setup...
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why you can play for NaziGermany, but not for ISIS?

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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because NaziGermany is history I think. wait for some 50 or 70 years then yeah you can add it #Tongue

But seriously its a drag discussing, for you Algerian major stay away from current political matters, they will steer up some problems eventually.
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Team Black wrote:
Napalm has been banned from American arsenal for quite some time. Even while it was used, it was only authorized in combat against legitimate military targets, after making every attempt to minimize collateral damage.

That's actually not true. Napalm is still used in the US military. The old style has been taken out of service but napalm, as it were, is still in use. It's just made differently.

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Why you can play for NaziGermany, but not for ISIS?

WW2 is far enough in the past that revisiting the topic is almost a necessity. If you screw it up or change details, it's not as big of a deal since the conflict is not actively, and currently, harming anyone. As ISIS is a current problem, using them as a "faction" or concept then fucking it up has a stronger, more devastating effect. See Call of Juarez: The Cartel as an example of why misrepresenting the truth in a very current event is so harmful. That's why using ISIS would be in really poor taste.

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You take them way too seriously, you listen to your propaganda, they listen to theirs...  

They are still just a bunch of arabic people, wearing bandanas in a desert. Meanwhile you sip your beer, in an air conditioned house, with not much to fear in life, and watch fox news tell you how they are going to kill you any minute now...

ISIS may not be a direct threat to a US citizen specifically, but they are a very real, very present threat to other people. As such, they should damn well be stopped. Fortunately, most people really don't like them. When al-Qaeda says you're basically a shitbag, you dun goof'd. Regardless, ISIS is bad for everyone. Especially normal Muslim people.

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The reason I don't thing ISIS should be in this mod is that they want to be recognized. They want publicity. They know that mass beheadings, and destroying ancient artifacts will get them that.

Seriously, they're the Islamic extremist equivalent of edgy teenagers. There's nothing they're trying to correct. They're just being edgy. 2edgy4me. No joke.

Anyhow, this was a shit topic from the very outset. Seems like it was started to intentionally rile people up.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, i think it depends in what fashion you'd "include isis", if  your mod includes humor and you're mocking them, i'd say it's ok.....to put them as serious faction into the game...a bit too early, the shit is still going and not gonna end too soon either.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if you include them in order to mock them, it might create an unwanted consequence and give ISIS more popularity. Some might interpret it as propaganda thus have more incentive to support ISIS.

Is there really a need to include them? We've already seen how it affects people. Why not instead call them BNT (Big Nasty Terrorists) or whatever.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha popularity... riiiiiiiight.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Making a terrorist faction for your mod is ok, if you ask me (I am remaking Yuri to be a terrorist faction). But for the sake of not stepping on somebody's nerves, just use some non realistic name.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nazis aren't history. Nazi Germany as a state doesn't exist anymore, but if I include a cool Nazi faction with flying saucers and rayguns and stuff, who says I won't convert some innocent modders to racism?

I don't think that will happen, but if including ISIS in a mod gives publicity to them, the same would work for Nazis. There won't be any SS volunteers showing up at the German border, trying to join the invasion of Britain, but they might become racist through my mod?

And including the Soviet Union - the state may be historical, but communism is very much alive. Did anyone feel the urge to emigrate to Cuba/Venezuela/NorthKorea due to playing RA2?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nazism is alive and well just fyi, the American planted govt in Ukraine is made up of mostly from local nazi groups. And that's not the only country where Nazism has a foothold, but probably the most high profile.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ROFL. LOL. LMAO.

The Ukraine govt wasn't American-planted - that's an idiot propaganda. It does feature nazi elements (while Svoboda and Right Sector does have seats, they aren't as represented in the parliament compared to what you pretend), but hell, any such event like the Euromaidan favors radicals, besides, Hungary is already a far, faaaaaaaaaaar more a nazi country then Ukraine ever will be.

2018 onwards will be fun, because unless some miracle will happen, the nazi party will even win the elections here.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People are really worried about making ISIS more popular by adding them as a faction in one mod? After the western media already pumped their popularity beyond any reason, and are still doing so whenever possible?

"ISIS is offering Nutella for new recruits!"
"ISIS is offering free wives for new recruits!"
"ISIS is offering 500$ for newly married couples!"

Give me a break... They wouldn't get better media coverage if they paid for it.

Graion Dilach wrote:
It does feature nazi elements

Those nazi elements, like Azov Battalion, were not so recently acknowledged as an official part of the army. And just like the Nazi collaborators from UPA, they are revered as heroes by the Ukraine's government.
Just FYI. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then I'll take back the far, far part. Here the militarist groups get dissolved by court, reformed on the verysame day and running their business like nothing have happened.

Keep in mind tho - over here, the nazis aren't viewed as potential coalition/supporting partners by the main parties.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GD: I guess you missed the leaked conference calls from the state dept in the US telling the Ukrainians who they want in power?

And as if Nazism isn't bad enough, they are importing war criminals and fraudsters

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Georgia's former President Mikhail Saakashvili, wanted by his country's prosecutors for embezzlement, abuse of power and politically-motivated attacks, has been appointed governor of Ukraine's Odessa region. President Petro Poroshenko personally appointed Saakashvili to the post, saying the former Georgian leader is "a friend of Ukraine." In a statement at Saakashvili's nomination in Odessa, Poroshenko said the two had known each other for 25 years, since university days.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graion Dilach, The current president of Ukraine, the Prime Minister and the government often allow themselves to Nazi statements. For example President Poroshenko said that the children in the southeast of the children have to sit in the cellars. Yatsenyuk said that they were "subhuman".

The government knows who brought them to power (the neo-Nazis, fascists, Bandera, nationalists, the name does not matter), and know that if they do not stick to their positions, the government is waiting for the same fate as that of the past. Therefore, the current government comes in the wake of the War Party (neo-Nazis, Bandera, nationalists,the name does not matter)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ISIS is nothing but a distraction. Nit picking at these global matters achieves you nothing, but it does distract you, all the time. God dammit, why do you guys still buy into the mass media? Your sources of information are "corrupt", so to speak. Has Nod taught you nothing?  #Mischievous

And, yah. You can put whatever faction you want in your mod. I was thinking about making a porno faction. Their buildings are all naked ladies in various sweet spot poses. Chicks hump your units to death, suffocates your guys with their titties. The faction's special passive ability forces all of your engineers to automatically try to "capture" their buildings.

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