Reversible Abductor.ChangeOwner

Millennium

Ares 0.9 documentation wrote:

[Weapon]►Abductor.ChangeOwner= (boolean)
Sets whether the abducted unit shall change its owner to the abductor’s house. Units which are ImmuneToPsionics=yes will not change owner. Defaults to no.

Is there a way to make this reversible? Ie units that are held inside an abductor change owner, but when you release them, they change back to their original owner?
If this is not possible, is there a way to destroy all held units instantly upon releasing?

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Graion Dilach · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:03 pm Post subject:

No and Survivor.*PassengerChance.

Damn, do me a favour and finally accept that you're stupid.

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Millennium · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:37 pm Post subject:

This would only be helpful in destroying the held units upon destruction of the prison. Re-reading my post more carefully will perhaps allow you to understand my original intention, but I will explain it in more detail to avoid further misunderstandings:

Units should be either released to their original owner by releasing them from the prison unit (for example, via Weeder/DockUnload), or else, they should be destroyed instantly. Your solution, from what I can tell, only allows their instant destruction upon destruction of the prison unit, not upon other situations in which imprisoned units may be released.

Perhaps this is the best approximation that is possible in Ares, but it is not quite what I was looking for.

Also, I'm forced to report you again. It's most regrettable that you are unable to solve social situations in a non-confrontational manner. I'm hopeful you will improve in this regard in the future.

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Graion Dilach · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:36 pm Post subject:

Not as regrettable that you are unable to comprehend a documentation - or reading for bugs.

http://bugs.renegadeprojects.com/view.php?id=1362 is the story of ChangeOwner - it had no prison or stuff like that, it was added to the game to actually give a practical use to Abductor weapons, otherwise they were pretty much useless.

I know it's easier to report the meanie Graion telling you to finally grow the brain then actually acknowledge that the jerkass might have a point, but I don't really care. You and GenesisArea were the exact reason why I stopped modding YR - it's no piint doing it when besides the stress of working with the engine, I even have to see how nonsense logics you two apply to this game - like if you two ever knew something about it.

Yeah, really.

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AlexB · Commander **Joined**: 31 May 2010 **Location**: Germany

The Abductor logic has never really been completed. Renegade coded it in 2011, iirc, and there were so many plans. Like docking to a structure to empty the prison. Testing didn't happen, and Renegade abandoned the feature (as he announced beforehand, but testers apparently didn't care). That's why it is the way it is.

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Millennium · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:57 pm Post subject:

Graion Dilach wrote:

Not as regrettable that you are unable to comprehend a documentation - or reading for bugs.

http://bugs.renegadeprojects.com/view.php?id=1362 is the story of ChangeOwner - it had no prison or stuff like that, it was added to the game to actually give a practical use to Abductor weapons, otherwise they were pretty much useless.

I know it's easier to report the meanie Graion telling you to finally grow the brain then actually acknowledge that the jerkass might have a point, but I don't really care. You and GenesisArea were the exact reason why I stopped modding YR - it's no piint doing it when besides the stress of working with the engine, I even have to see how nonsense logics you two apply to this game - like if you two ever knew something about it.

Yeah, really.

Thank you for this link, it has some insights that cannot be gained from reading the documentation file on this feature.

Please understand that inside knowledge of the workings of the code is available to you that others may not possess and the implications thereof on the limitations of some features' functionalities may be obvious to you, but others may be entirely unaware of them. This does not mean that everyone else is "stupid" or "idiots", just that they lack certain insights that you have because of your involvement in the creation of these features.

I'm sorry GenesisAria and I have caused you distress in your modding endeavours.

Perhaps you should work on your stress management skills so you will be able to be more persistent on future projects (in modding and in life in general) despite in the process crossing paths with people who are not to your liking.

This would be a great skill to master because this is a situation that you will find yourself in again and again in life - and most of them will not allow you to vent your frustration by calling other people names anonymously over the internet.

If you need someone to talk to, just PM me.
Good day to you.

AlexB wrote:

The Abductor logic has never really been completed. Renegade coded it in 2011, iirc, and there were so many plans. Like docking to a structure to empty the prison. Testing didn't happen, and Renegade abandoned the feature (as he announced beforehand, but testers apparently didn't care). That's why it is the way it is.

Well, this wasn't supposed to be a feature request. Apologies if it came across that way. I was more aiming for an exploit/combination of the already-present features to create the effect I described ("creative solutions"). Apparently this is not possible though.

Oh also, unloading from docking already works Wink

that's why I used it in the example.

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AlexB · Commander **Joined**: 31 May 2010 **Location**: Germany

I didn't understand it as a feature request. I just wanted to mention why the feature seems to not be useful in too many circumstances: it's not done, and many things are missing.

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Millennium · Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:20 pm Post subject:

I think I found a way to at least replicate "instant destruction upon release", just by making the abductor weapon give a highly damaging AE. Nothing can die to its' AE while it's in cargo, so the AE would just take effect when the unit is released and instantly destroy it.

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