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Banshee
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject:  Voxels from a never seen point of view... Reply with quote

Stu has been developping an aplication to view voxels with hva (he has been researching how hva files work, so he can implement it later at VXLSE III)... He gave me an alpha version of the thing... and I loved it... Here's the screenshot I took... if we find out one day how to encode vqa files, it will be possible to modify this tool to make movies...









Note: Stu, if you wanna delete this topic, do it.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note: i still can't get HVA's to work right, in the version u have Banshee HVA's are disabled. (the Voxels Transform Matrix seems to work fine, its just the hva ones giving problems)

EDIT: Added pics showing HVA problem, note the animation seems correct, the parts are just a tad seperated........


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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At about 3am GMT i fixed it and the program can now play HVA animations Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, really cool looking Smile

(if we only could make that mmk2 walk through the scene...)
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If i could work out how to scroll textures then walking could b faked by scrolling it when animating.

Attached is 6 pics of the viewer. Note: its 1.32 MB not KB.


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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me likes, me wants!

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Voxels from a never seen point of view... Reply with quote

Banshee wrote:
... if we find out one day how to encode vqa files, it will be possible to modify this tool to make movies...

this option is for TS mods... & why not avi files? (is to convert these files into RA2 videos).

About the tool, is very nice Stu. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes we could use it to make RA2/YR videos, but we can't use it for SHPs, so we could show aircraft and non-SHP vehicles, but no explosions or trees or houses.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personaly think pro video making stuff is better. I.E 3d scene makers, make 3d models make a scene, make it do stuff, and bang u got a video. Main problem with VXL fles is when rendering them in 3d, u draw every square, working out what is seen would take time. So u are drawing about 13 thousand squares(2k min) , the size doesn't matter, its the amount, a 3d model would have about 200 Max(im betting im over estimating this max) So u get low FPS.

Anyway, pics, one showing some sucsess the other showing some probs with this. (Some seem to work fine, others have alignment probs)


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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need a turret offset option... if you look at art.ini, some voxels have turret offset options. 2TNK doesnt have this problem, but 4TNK has. Look at 4TNK's code:


[4TNK]
Voxel=yes
Remapable=yes
Cameo=4TNKICON
PrimaryFireFLH=40,32,96
SecondaryFireFLH=-32,80,120
PBarrelLength=192
TurretOffset=-45



Anyway, I will continue my screenshot turn here... Here's the Mad Dog voxel, created a very long time ago by Weeraby2k (I think) and used to be one of the master pieces from Editing Source that Detail used to run. It's currently available at YR Argentina. Anyway, the version available for download has terrible normals. I used the auto-normalizer from VXLSE III and the difference was amazing. Then, I rendered it at the Open Source Voxel Viewer (old version that I have here) and the results are... take a look:


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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is so cool
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you should have a go at more detailed textures, or make it repeat more often, so it doesn't look jagged. Maybe, if we could do AVI->VQA, we should make very highly detailed voxels, like twice the detail as now, so we can do good quality stuff. Of course, I'm just a sad little person with no good opinion and should be ignored by everyone.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can create the texture that you want for the terrain... We are just lazy to create new ones Wink... At least I am.. I dont know about Stu.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

800x700 image is about 500kb (JPG) True Higher compression would lower it (i always save with compression at one for max quality), Times 500 by 4 and u get 2000KB (or 2MB Approx).

The size that if im correct should have "perfect" quality is 1400x1400.

if somehow texture "sets" could be made of say 200x200 images that could fit together, technicaly "maps" could be made. (obvacly not gigantic ones u can walk around in)

And about high detailed voxels, it would b much better to make actual 3d models, they would use less resources, they would look better, and they would be more friendly. (i.e Md3 format is a nice one).

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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya I agree with stu if we get the ability to make vqa's then we really should use a 3d prog over trying to render voxels. #Tongue
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attached Is the MK II walking!!!!


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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take this means you've fixed the bugs to an extent. Any possibilities of a beta soon. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its amazing how bad normals were b4 the bglman discovery.

EDIT: the release of the Program is unknown, i doubt it will take more than a week b4 it is released.


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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love it guys, keep up the good work.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Des08tor wrote:
Love it guys, keep up the good work.


Guys?

Anyway More Screenies.

New Feature: You can now save and load scene's, so if u find the right angle, ground height, ground size, etc, then save the scene, and you can load it up the next time u want to view a voxel.


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stucuk wrote:
Guys?


- maybe he is considering my PR job Laughing


Anyway, have you fixed the blades from the helicopter?


(and also, could you also allow us to replace the sky by a bitmap, so we can make a perfect TS scene?)
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the blades are fixed u will all know about it! That helicopter works for some reason...... Night Hawk doesn't.

When it comes to PR u are the master.

I don't know how to do sky boxes or Q3 Style dome skys. (im amazed i got this far being a noob at OpenGl)
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is fantastic, yet i wonder how do you import the terrain?

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Play the game... take a random screenshot of the map with no unit or building in it and load it in jpg format in the program
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ehhhm, are the new normals already added to VXLSE III, i thought they were still under work Confused

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When bglman discovered the normals, i implemented them in VXLSE III and when this program was made it used the normals. VXLSE III defultly is set to use normal simulation or something its not proper normals, its point is to keep fps higher. You can manualy change this. Anyway this isn't the thread or the forum to talk about VXLSE III.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have got to say, that anim of the walking HMEC is the coolest thing I have seen in a long time Wink

With the ground textures, what filetypes are supported, besides jpg which banshee already mentioned. for example, would animated gifs work?

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jpg's are the only supported format. Gif's wouldn't be posible, not with my understanding of opengl anyway.

Technicaly BMP and TGA could be implemented but that would mean the program could take alot longer to load. (program has to search the dir's for textures and laod them, searching more than one format would cause more of a delay). Since all 3 are still images with not much quality difference JPG was selected, due to it having low file sizes, being a very common format and has the option for compression.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see if it is done already but maybe you should add TurretOffset= feature as to make it not so Trail-and-Error. Maybe even PrimaryFLH= can be added, too. It would make the program even more useful. Wink

Just a suggestion...

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have played with the voxels using the turret offset value and had no luck. Its uncharted territory making 3 voxels into 1 for viewing.

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Im not a modder, so i don't know ini tags. (the line doesn't mean a thing to me)
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PrimareyFLH= sets the forward, lateral, and height offsets from the center of the voxel as the point from which the Primary weapon's projectile originates.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it wouldn't help with this program (since i can't make guns fire, etc)
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats to bad, cause Deltas idea, if implemented would have been fairly handy.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]So it wouldn't help with this program (since i can't make guns fire, etc) /quote]

Ahhh... Confused
That's too bad. Finding the PrimaryFLH is soooo time consuming, and tedious to perfect it, that the option would be extremely useful.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you could set the PrimaryFLH, how could you tell where it was on the model?
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kravvitz wrote:
If you could set the PrimaryFLH, how could you tell where it was on the model?


Especialy how adding the body, turret and barrels isn't compleate, the HVA's arn't worked out 100% correct(mechs work but blades don't always align right), etc.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2004 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good adition Smile, specially for those who have RA2 voxels with normals 2.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For Voxels with no HVA animations the FPS has been improved, tho the loading times for voxels with no HVA animations can be up to 5 seconds for the program to build the voxel, but u can experience up to 200% increases in FPS.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

omg stu, 1337ness :p
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stucuk have you come up with any thing new on this viewer Question

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a new version in the works.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry for bumpiong over a year old topic but you said if we ever had a vqa encoder we could make movies. well now we have one.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and if you use this tool like a freak, you really can make movies...
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