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Tesla7zap
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:51 pm    Post subject:   RotD Download Comments Reply with quote

Can you post some screenshots please?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tesla7zap wrote:
Can you post some screenshots please?


http://www.ppmsite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5317
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Will post more later.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks buddy!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent stuff! I'm adding to TS: SW now.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By FAR one of the best modifications for C&C Tiberian Sun. It's so good I might even review it for cc.gamingeye.com (Swedish though).
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please, do it!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll download it when I've finished d ownloading energy mod... need screenshots for the interview (speaking of interviews how is the ppm one coming along banshee?)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's done it's done it's done Very Happy

thx for this mod...man it's so cool to be back playing cnc...

i even set my resolution for maximum retro-feeling! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://ts.savagewar.co.uk/pafiledb/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=93

There's the SW mirror.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

This is a great MOD!
But i have 1 "bug" found. Normal you need a Weapons Factori to build the IonenUplink Staion and in your mod is this not fall Wink

Sorry for my Bad english i am from Germany^^

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good god,that IS retro-feeling. so cramped....what resolution is that? i need to buy a new TS game. crappy thing..-_-
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres 1 thing in that patch.
You can make visceroids on GDI with prise of 1$.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there's plenty of easy stupid bugs they added.
1-WTF??? Visceroids for GDI at 1$
2-WAR FACTORY can be built without any prerequisite!!!!
3-ARGGHHHH!!!!! Why can't i play on snow terrain!!! (internal error when loading on a snow map)

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex05 wrote:
Well, there's plenty of easy stupid bugs they added.
1-WTF??? Visceroids for GDI at 1$
2-WAR FACTORY can be built without any prerequisite!!!!
3-ARGGHHHH!!!!! Why can't i play on snow terrain!!! (internal error when loading on a snow map)

@1+2: jaja i already told reaperrrrr and i guess it won't take long to 2.2 Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woah... cool

Will this work with Firestorm? I installed some old version on my TS before, with FS installed, and never got any problems in-game...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It works perfectly with Firestorm. I've tested that myself Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just played it. Awesome man Smile

I do have some remarks... it's kinda odd that a bunch of Apaches kills a guard tower in no time.
And generally I think everything breaks kinda easily compared to C&C1.

Alex05 wrote:
3-ARGGHHHH!!!!! Why can't i play on snow terrain!!! (internal error when loading on a snow map)

I only got that when running in Win95 compat mode.


[edit]

Oh, and that hex edited executable is a stroke of genius, Reaperrr Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nyerguds wrote:
Oh, and that hex edited executable is a stroke of genius, Reaperrr Smile


Could anybody tell me more about that? *goes play TotD now*

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help, nyerguds. BTW, why does the conyard give power? Laughing

EDIT: i'm attaching the rulez.ini file so you can play the game without the mentionned bugs. Very Happy

EDIT2:Oops forgot a tag on the visceroid. Razz


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations! You created the first game i've run on my new pc that was able to bring the framerate below 5 FPS! #Tongue

Seriously, this mods kicks ass. It's going to be hard for me to match that new terrain in the next release of TSTW #Tongue (awaits an OS TMP Editor, btw!)
The Nod airfield remains one of the nicest things to see in action.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(awaits an OS TMP Editor, btw!)


- Oh... I'm sorry. But you'll wait forever because I won't make that program #Tongue... and OS SHP Builder 3.2 won't feature TMP edition either. But I plan to add it when I add layers to the program, which would be at 4.0.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll mirror the mod when given the chance... I'm still rather busy with the reopening of C&C Central and other personal matters. and I might wait a bit to see if there is a 2.2 in the near future.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add to the bug list... there seems to be a Hole On Map error in the tunnel entrance to the NE in winter theater

Oh, and I found out that 640x400 is perfect as resolution.
It's what C&C95 normally uses, after all Smile

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Oh, and that hex edited executable is a stroke of genius, Reaperrr Smile


Could anybody tell me more about that? *goes play TotD now*

He simply made a copy of game.exe and called it dawn.exe. Then he hex edited it and searched for "sun.ini" and "expand" and replaced them by "dwn.ini" and "rotdxp", thus allowing ROTD to use a config file and mod files that don't affect TS.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex05 wrote:
Thanks for the help, nyerguds. BTW, why does the conyard give power? Laughing

EDIT: i'm attaching the rulez.ini file so you can play the game without the mentionned bugs. Very Happy

EDIT2:Oops forgot a tag on the visceroid. Razz

Thx for putting up that hotfix Wink

Official new patch is up now, fixing those visc/weap factory bugs plus making some (small) balance adjustments.

the_kid wrote:
I'll mirror the mod when given the chance... I'm still rather busy with the reopening of C&C Central and other personal matters. and I might wait a bit to see if there is a 2.2 in the near future.

Not 2.2, only 2.15 Wink (but maybe I forgot something again... Laughing )

Nyerguds wrote:
Just to add to the bug list... there seems to be a Hole On Map error in the tunnel entrance to the NE in winter theater

Yes it is, I already knew when I released the mod, but so far I couldn't find a fix for that... I had an error at the tunnel itself, but that was caused by a modified snow.ini. But now it uses the original snow.ini, so there must be an other reason... the tmp displays correctly in xcc mixer, so atm I have no idea how to fix this...

EDIT: full version 2.15 is up now.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Con Yard in C&C1 produced AND needed 20 power, for the simple reason that C&C didn't accept a 0/0 power balance as "sufficient power". That's also why the civilian buildings in C&C1 lose health all the time; It's just because they have 'low power'.


I just added all my C&C1 music to the mod, including the hidden themes that are only on the DOS CD's and in the Covert Ops Very Happy

I attached the updated theme.ini I used.
Do note that I've used all remixes (the *.var ones renamed to *.aud) instead of original themes, I got the FULL version of "I Am - Times" (anyone interested?), and I used the remix of No Mercy from Frank Klepacki's site. So the Length values will be a bit off if you use the standard C&C1 AUDs.

And since it was already set in the theme.ini anyway, I threw the No Mercy '98 remix from Sole Survivor in it too Very Happy

(I edited rotdxp02.mix with XCC Mix Editor and removed theme.ini and all AUDs except score and intro, and then put all music stuff in rotdxp05.mix)


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nyerguds wrote:
The Con Yard in C&C1 produced AND needed 20 power, for the simple reason that C&C didn't accept a 0/0 power balance as "sufficient power". That's also why the civilian buildings in C&C1 lose health all the time; It's just because they have 'low power'.

Hm, I don't know about the DOS version of C&C, but to me the con yard had 10 power requirement and 30 produced... that's why I gave it 20+.

Nyerguds wrote:

I just added all my C&C1 music to the mod, including the hidden themes that are only on the DOS CD's and in the Covert Ops Very Happy

I attached the updated theme.ini I used.
Do note that I've used all remixes (the *.var ones renamed to *.aud) instead of original themes, I got the FULL version of "I Am - Times" (anyone interested?), and I used the remix of No Mercy from Frank Klepacki's site. So the Length values will be a bit off if you use the standard C&C1 AUDs.

And since it was already set in the theme.ini anyway, I threw the No Mercy '98 remix from Sole Survivor in it too Very Happy

The hidden tracks are in C&C95 too Wink
I personally am not interested in the full length I AM - Times, I have it already Wink

but what do you mean with No Mercy remix? just that version with vocals added?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No they're not... I GOT C&C95, and they're only on the Covert Ops CD I got with it. The scores.mix on the Gold CD's is 37.3 mb. On my old DOS ones that's 54 mb. On the Covert Ops disk it's the full 75.6 mb.
But if you got a C&C Gold with all themes... well, I guess you're lucky then #Tongue


My 'No Mercy' is the version that's used in the Ion Cannon movie in C&C. It has added voices like "No mercy... Mercy is for the WEAK!"


I was wrong about the con yard though... just looked it up. It produces 30 and uses 15, in both DOS C&C and C&C95.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nyerguds wrote:
No they're not... I GOT C&C95, and they're only on the Covert Ops CD I got with it. The scores.mix on the Gold CD's is 37.3 mb. On my old DOS ones that's 54 mb. On the Covert Ops disk it's the full 75.6 mb.
But if you got a C&C Gold with all themes... well, I guess you're lucky then :p

I think C&C Gold has been re-released at least once, but both my version (from a game compilation) and the original german Gold SVGA release have that 54 mb scores.mix on it.
But who cares, since we got CovOps... Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. Even DOS C&C has been re-released, apparently. I've seen someone that didn't get the 1.22 patch installed, and it turned out it was just because he had a CD with C&C 1.22 already on it.

Anyway, I'm really enjoying this mod. Great work, Reaperrr. Its C&C atmosphere is so good I automatically right-clicked on the minimap after building my radar Wink

Oh, by the way... I got that German C&C95.exe from someone I sent some movies that were removed/edited in the censored german version. (He was very happy to see Seth get shot in the head #Tongue)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nyerguds wrote:
Oh, by the way... I got that German C&C95.exe from someone I sent some movies that were removed/edited in the censored german version. (He was very happy to see Seth get shot in the head #Tongue)

oops, forgot again :/ sry...
will send you the german DOS game.dat/exe then Wink

btw, I want those videos also Very Happy

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Then get MSN... it's the easiest way of sending big things.

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Hi,

This is a great MOD!
But i have 1 "bug" found. Normal you need a Weapons Factori to build the IonenUplink Staion and in your mod is this not fall Wink

Sorry for my Bad english i am from Germany^^

No you don't... all you need is the Comm Center.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had to say im loving this mod loving it i cant evan play my TS because my cd is scratched bad and the main executable always gets a error but i can still play this mod which made me so i happy i love it keep up the good work Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nyerguds wrote:
Then get MSN... it's the easiest way of sending big things.

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Lugia345 wrote:
Hi,

This is a great MOD!
But i have 1 "bug" found. Normal you need a Weapons Factori to build the IonenUplink Staion and in your mod is this not fall Wink

Sorry for my Bad english i am from Germany^^

No you don't... all you need is the Comm Center.


Ok you are right Very Happy sorry i was wrong Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nyerguds wrote:
The DvD wrote:
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Oh, and that hex edited executable is a stroke of genius, Reaperrr Smile
Could anybody tell me more about that? *goes play TotD now*
He simply made a copy of game.exe and called it dawn.exe. Then he hex edited it and searched for "sun.ini" and "expand" and replaced them by "dwn.ini" and "rotdxp", thus allowing ROTD to use a config file and mod files that don't affect TS.
Another idea concerning that, Reaperr... how about separating savegames? I managed to do that by changing the "SAV" to "SRD" in DAWN.EXE

This is especially useful since TS crashes within seconds when loading a non-ROTD savegame.
I tried both saving and loading after the change, and it worked perfectly.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nyerguds or Reaperrr, could you tell me what program you use to edit the .exe? Thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the same program too. It's called Resource Hacker. You can get it here, DVD: http://www.users.on.net/johnson/resourcehacker/

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I use a simple DOS hex editor
http://members.fortunecity.com/andorit/program/editors.html
file is hex51.zip - HEX 5.1 by Jonathan Durward
(I don't think it allows direct linking)

Very easy to use; [tab] to switch between binary and text, [F5] to search, [shift]+[F6] to repeat search.

It's small, it's simple, and it even has a built-in file browser and mouse support. Who needs anything more? #Tongue
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm Resource Hacker only finds image files and some other things and my pc can't run 16-bit programs anymore... I downloaded other Hex editors but i got a mess..

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- Win9x ownz Wink. Long live Resource Hacker and all hex editors!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmm Resource Hacker only finds image files and some other things and my pc can't run 16-bit programs anymore... I downloaded other Hex editors but i got a mess..

What kind of mess?
Any fancy graphical hex editor will be exactly the same in layout and stuff... Heck, you even got mouse support in this editor. It reacts pretty much like any Windows program.

The one most important thing you have to keep in mind when hex editing programs (and most other filetypes too) is NOT TO CHANGE THE FILESIZE. Always overwrite characters, never insert.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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my pc can't run 16-bit programs anymore


- Win9x ownz Wink. Long live Resource Hacker and all hex editors!


I'm running XP Pro 64-bit edition and it seems they removed 16-bit compatibility Neutral

Anyway the mess i was talking about wat actually dots appearing between every character, and i couldn't replicate them on the keyboard. But Triforce seems to got that working and he wants to help me Smile

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I used a plain, simple Notepad-like text editor, called EditPadLite. Unlike Notepad & Wordpad, it doesn't mess up files by formatting them in any way.
Since I'm not messing with hex values, only letters (filenames and stuff like that), that's enough for me.

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Heh. An actual hex editor is a lot cleaner to work with though.
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and has a good indication of the offset.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i already got it to work for TSTW. BTW, doing it this way presents a problem for mappers: It won't find the mod's files. (Especially a problem for TSTW or TSR). I already fixed this by editing FinalSun.exe (got the hang of it :p) but it isn't bugfree, some objects don't show up.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, just rename them all when making the maps. rotdxp*.mix to expand*.mix, arr.ini to art.ini, rulez.ini to rules.ini (and prolly a few more. Just check rotdxp02.mix)

Isn't that hard, is it?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, but for some people it is Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed one odd AI bug in the mod... the GDI AI never builds advanced power plants.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The DvD wrote:
Anyway the mess i was talking about wat actually dots appearing between every character, and i couldn't replicate them on the keyboard. But Triforce seems to got that working and he wants to help me Smile

lol. Dots usually symbolize 00 or FF bytes. You just need to go to hexadecimal mode to make them yourself.
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